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A bad bad bad episode and probably the worst season finale in episodic tv history. I want my hour back.
I like the set up for next season. I would like to learn more about the orgainization that both Mama Petrilli and Hiro's dad are a part of.
Sylar still being alive sucks but any TV villian lives to see the next season.
Overall the entire season was great and I like the fact they wrapped up the storyline in one season. i am very interersted in seeing how will everything lead into next season.
Although I do believe that the finale was a slight let down, I hope the writers keep an intersting story going for Chapter 2, Generations.
Think the reason why nathen flew peter away was because peter told nathen he could not use any of his other powers??
Oh, and as for one of the small inconsistencies, shouldn’t illusionist Candice Wilmer have appeared as her real fat self when she was knocked unconscious?
So next season I’m sure will be exploring the origins of the powers and the Linderman, Nakamura, Patrelli, and Deveaux families. All of them refer to past relations with each other and the formation of a group of them. And Molly spoke of a person that scares here and see her when she sees him/her.
Syler lives on in the sewer now. The roach was a metaphor. Suresh talked about roaches surviving in his class early on.
I guess Peter was to afraid to control all his powers at the same time.
Bennet doesn’t have powers as far as we know. He’s just smarter than all of them.
The Haitian was getting out of the city, probably with Mama Petrelli.
Syler got his telekinesis from his 1st kill when he was working with papa Suresh.
Mama Petrelli might have some kind of power. She said to Nathan, he doesn’t know everything about her.
I don’t think Syler ever got the power to control people, Eden killed herself before he was able to take her power.
- Peter tells Nathan that he's out of control, so no up up and away for him.
- Sylar gets the power to move things from a fat guy with glasses who's shown in the episode that's six months earlier. (I love it when the guy says : "Can you make it go away ?" - it makes you wonder ... )
- It was strange that Nathan didn't turn out as a piece of smoking coal when he touched Peter, indeed.
- Candice only hints that the fat lady may be her real self, but she never says it for certain. By the way, I think if you get a super-powered hook in your nose from Niki your nosebones would end up in your brain. I don't think she survived that hit.
- This episode was way too predictable, I'm a bit disappointed... can't wait for next season :)
Anyway, YEY FOR HEROES!!! :) Can't wait for the rest of Volume 2!!!
Oh and someone asked these Qs:
Who did Syler kill to get the power to move things with his mind?
The first guy he killed had telekenisis. His name was Brian Davis. He stole a post-it from Papa Suresh that had Brian's home address. Sylar got in touch with him then killed him, opened up his brains and got his powers. I still don't know exactly what Sylar does to those brains. Does he eat them?
And what evr happends to Sylers power to control people?
I don't think he has that power. He tried to steal it from Eden but I think she was able to blow her brains out before Sylar could get to it.
definitely agree that having these superpowers does not make you mentally/emotionally stronger than any other person. remember, these characters just started figuring out how to use their powers and have not fine-tuned them. every character, whether one with powers or without them, have their flaws. therefore, i can see where peter was afraid in his situation (since he had seen the future of NYC blowing up) and was confronted with Ted's power and could not control. They had to use this opportunity to have Nathan redeem himself. (i wish he could survive the boom so we can see his cute face again, but who knows!) anyways, everyone one of them played a part...and yes, the show doesn't have to rely on big special effects to get the point across.
1. sylar survives for next season.
2. dl/nickie/micah attempt to have a normal family life together.
3. claire/noah bennet-will continue to run and will try to figure out what this "group" is.
4. mohinder takes molly under his wing and continues to protect her.
5. peter regenerates after exploding in space and lands on earth, a la superman in superman returns.
6. hiro will train with samurai from ancient japan and see the beginnings of this group.
7. matt, the cop, will survive getting shot, reunite with his wife and have a "hero" baby.
8. nathan is dead after exploding.... :-(
9. petrelli mom-will mourn nathan (her "stronger" son) and will turn on peter.
10. the new villain that molly foreshadowed will start making his/her appearance and may join forces with sylar.
11. candice, the illunionist, will come back and maybe for the good...now that linderman is dead.
12. linderman may heal himself. i am not sure what will happen there.
13. all heroes will work/develop their powers and maybe, just maybe, more explosive/epic battles will occur in seasons to come!
It's more than an annoying plot inconsistency. It ruined the ending, making Nathan's final sacrifice a pointless exercise in melodrama rather than a momentous act of salvation and redemption.
And it would have been so easy to do better. Just make the gun misfire or fall in a gutter when Sylar tosses Bennett. Then Peter and Claire's whole plan is ruined, see, and the audience is nervous because now there's no way to stop the explosion, and then Nathan swoops in to save the day. But the way the did it, the audience isn't nervous, the audience is thinking "Just shoot him, stupid; he can regenerate". At least if the audience is me.
The whole point in shooting Peter was to shoot him in the neck/brain so that he couldn't regenerate. In essence killing him. That's why he designated Claire to do it, because she knew where to hit him. That's why when Bennet said he'd do it, he also told Peter he was a very good shot.
Which in the end is why Claire couldn't do it. What is she, 16? That's a hard thing for a kid to deal with, even in a show like this.
What if the explosion we saw was not the petrellis? For those who have been reading the comic (novel) on nbc.com. Hana was busy destroying the satalite tracking system and the same time as the things in New York were unfolding.
What if, during their flight Peter regained control, and the explosion we saw was the satalite?
Just a thought. Can't wait till September.
Has anyone else thought that the other "boogeyman" that Molly refers to might be a woman, Mrs. Petrelli? She's evil enough, her son Peter is the most powerful of the heroes (even if he won't believe it) and she alludes to the fact that there's more than meets the eye with her. If I were Molly, I'd be scared of that woman looking back at me.
People ask why Peter didn't just fly away. My guess is that we was focusing all of his concentration on not exploding. Trying to fly might have pushed him over the edge.
Also maybe it was good that Claire did not shoot him. If ti was his concentration that was stopping him from exploding, then his being shot might have set off an explosion. We've seen that a brain injury stops Claire'ss (and Peter's) regeneration ability, but will it stop Peter's redation ability?
Both Peter and Claire have taken it in the brain in previous episodes. And yes, they were killed. But when the objects that killed them were removed from their brains, they regenerated. So shoot Peter, and then take out bullet (maybe not in the middle of New York, you know, just in case).
What am I missing here? How did Peter saving Claire help the Petrellis to save the world? She didn't do anything in the final scene, and Peter's ability from Claire has nothing to do with his his radioactivity.
It almost seems like the writers has a different ending in mind all season long, then switched ideas at teh last moment.
Overall, a good episode, but very unsatisfying.
Why didn't Claire just shot Peter? Well, if you remember back when Ted got shot while in Claire's house he lost control due to the pain and almost went nuclear. Only Claire stopped him by sedating him. The only other option, which they pointed out an episode or two ago, was to shot Peter in the head. If you'll remember both Claire and Peter stayed dead after receiving a severe head wound. They could have gambled and tried shooting Peter in the head but it may have torn his brain up and he wouldn't be able to regenerate.
Whats with "Save the cheerleader, save the world"? Well, this show actually takes place on an alternate time line. The branch of the time line that this show is on started when Hiro came back from the future and told Peter to save the cheerleader. They revealed that in the episode that took place five years in the future. On the original time line, Hiro stabbed Sylar with his sword but Sylar regenerated using Claire's ability.
Why couldn't Peter just fly away? Peter's ability is the ability to use other people's abilities. He has to focus on how that person makes him feel and he can call their abilities out and use them. I think he actually lost control of his own ability and couldn't call out any other abilities, so he couldn't fly. He can still use Claire's ability to heal even after he is dead because its a passive ability.
I honestly liked this episode up until the end, and by end, I mean the very end. When they showed Hiro fall onto the grass. I figured it was Peter and/or Nathan, but it turned out to be Hiro. This show is driven by plot twists and character developments. If they start to get cheesy and have Hiro going on some type of time adventure I'm gonna have to stop watching.
I still have a little hope though. Maybe Hiro will be responsible for starting whatever organization it is that is behind everything. Maybe thats why we see that symbol everywhere in the show. If I had to guess, I'd say Hiro meets a girl in the past and they have a kid which starts the genes moving through the gene pool.
Also, Sylar may have been dragged into the sewers by someone.
3 parts. The Hard Part, Landslide, and How to stop an exploding man were ALL the finale. Those three episodes were only one day notice the clothes they are wearing. Last night's episode was just the final part of the finale.
however, in the episode 5 years in the future, Claire is still alive as is Syler, so are we to assume that Claire would not have died, even though Syler gutter her brains out?
there are times when he talks and his voice is deep and intimidating much like eden's was...?
also i'm pretty sure that was hiro's dad on the horse holding a flag with the helix symbol on it
did he get that from the guy who melts toasters?
and in the episode where sylar and peter have their first "showdown"
why does peter spend all of his invisible time turning his back to sylar and standing right in front of him?!!
anyways...heroes is awesome!
Well, it has already been established that Ted Sprague could barely control his power, and it took him months to learn. Peter got the power that day. Asking him to fly while he tries to control a brand new, highly-volatile power would be like asking you to drive to work while you defuse a bomb. He was BUSY.
The Haitian? Where was he? Great question. A better question would be, why watch the show if the Haitian just shows up all the time, stands around, and saves the day by turning off powers? Who cares where he went. It's a tv show, not real life, and it has to be entertaining.
Why wasn't there a gigantic, superpowered-ninja-kung fu fight between Sylar and Peter? I agree, it would have been awesome, but this show has always been an ensemble piece. It's not the Peter Petrelli Super Hour (which I would watch), so you have to expect that everyone has to get their chance to help. Even Matt, who basically just got shot for his efforts, distracted Sylar from killing Peter.
I know that a lot of people think that Peter should be able to beat Sylar. I disagree. Sylar instantly knows how to control the powers he gains; Peter doesn't. Also, Sylar has an all-out aggression that trumps Peter's hesitancy. Now, the interesting question is this : who won the fight between them at the end of "Five Years Later?" THAT'S the fight I want to see. Stupid Suresh, closing the door. . .
Frankly, I think that the writing is getting sloppy. Ever since the break, every episode has had several such inconsistencies. Sylar can stop bullets, but he can't react in time to stop a guy charging him with a sword? Why doesn't Hiro stop time and kill Sylar when time is stopped? Why did he go back in time to give Peter a cryptic message in a subway car rather than kill Sylar himself before he got all his powers? Why didn't Mohinder kill Sylar when he was knocked out, even though he was able to drag Peter's corpse out of the building? How did Hiro learn swordsmanship in a couple of hours? How did Micah's dad, I forget his name, bleeding from a bullet wound, manage to get behind Linderman and stick his hand in his head while Linderman was talking to Nikki?
I'm sure that people can come up with ingenious explanations for all of these apparent inconsistencies, but the more obvious answer is that the writers and directors don't care or don't think that the audience cares.
I've just decided to start my own forum, called heroesdefects.com, dedicated to these inconsistencies. I'll send a post when it's up. I just hope that the writing is a little smarter in season 2 because I loved the show when it first started.
If the writers of the show provide clever explanations for the inconsistencies, that's great. But unless they do, I'm not going to assume that they have any clever explanations. Of course, they're obviously entitled to write nonsense if they like, but if they don't start writing smarter plots, I'm going to stop watching. At this point, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because the show was so excellent earlier in the season.
The changeling or shape shifter still appearing as an attractive woman when they hinted at an ugly monster was disappointing.
I would like to see Sylar change to a good guy or maybe a conflicted good vs evil guy because he eat a brain of a decent and moral character and it transforms his personality.
Hiro will fight the dragon that was in the paintings but never acted out in Season 1. Do something with the split personality played by Ali Larter. Her character is terrible and practically pointless to the plot.
I know Heroes has a 5 season arc but right now some story lines are weak.
Just a few thoughts...
There are obviously other heroes. Why wouldn't more than one person have the same ability? Sylar never went after Claire again (unlike Molly), so perhaps he found another regenerator?
Peter absorbs others' abilities simply by being around them. Sylar by whatever he does to their brians. But what if others could absob abilities by other methods: touch, "relations" (I'd LOVE to see the writers run with this), or genuine love (Nathan?).
Nakamura: Japanese heritage
Petrelli: Italian heritage
Linderman: German heritage
Hmmm... probably just a wild theory, but did this alliance start with a certain infamous Axis of Evil? After all, our characters will be discovering their roots and going back in time, so this would make for an interesting story arc for the next chapter.
The main thing that is really getting people down? The ending showcased EVERY single character main personal issue and had them all confront them in highly emotional ways. Many people feel this to be too pat and convenient, and understandably have their cynicism alarm beeping loudly when there is so much in it about love and sacrifice and nobility and melodrama. People react to this and nitpick it to death.
The other major grip that I feel is a bit more legimate? The lack of a more epic, special effects-heavy, final battle. But I tend to agree with the original reviewer, Heroes isn't about the epic and the action, to me. It's about the emotional issues. More akin to a morality play in a theater than a Hollywood action movie.
Even with that in mind, I find some of the nitpicks less sensible than others. It was pretty clear to me that Peter would not regenerate if Claire blew his brains out. Their understanding was that she would kill him for sure. That was what all the angst was about as far as several chapters back. They both would not be so grave about it if he could come back from serious brain damage.
The same way Claire wouldn't regenerate if Sylar removed her brain. The power is in the brain, removing a little glass shard or tree branch is one thing, having several bullets scattering Peter's brain to bits was a quite different one, and also there was the risk he would just explode if he was shot.
It was also pretty clear that Peter was too scared and out of control do be able to control himself and access his other powers so he couldn't fly away by himself. The guy was out of control.
People are expecting rational, clear, tactical thinking from people that have been shown again and again to be very emotional, like Peter and Claire. Claire would never just weight her options and decide that it was a better risk to just shoot Peter.
Really, the only nitpick that I feel is legimate and requires some ingenuity to explain away? Sylar just letting himself be skewered by Hiro. Though even that had a nice sense of destiny and finality about it. Sylar saw himself being stabbed in the comic, maybe he believed it was his destiny, and seeing Hiro there, at that moment, paralyzed him. But yeaps, that is the weaker plot point, I'd say.
In the end though, Tim Kring has brought us 23 hours of very satisfying entertainment, that has kept us wanting for more at the end of each episode - he at least deserves the "Keeping the idiots in Suspense" Emmy
Cheers from Downunder
For a start, we ahve the 2 with the most abilities out of anyone facing off against each other. They have powers to do many things, yet how does it go down? With Peter punching Sylar in a street brawl.....as if either one would considering what they could do. And Hiro's sword manouver on Sylar was a little weak and unbelievable. Also Nikki's hit with the parking meter should have sent Sylar across the Plaza but did little.
For me it was well dissapointing. I have been waiting for a mighty battle, either between Peter and Sylar or between Sylar and several of the Heroes who join up to fight him, and it was looking that way till the final scene. What a let down.
Its all well and good concentrating on the humanity and relationship aspect of it all, but we are dealing with people with superheroe type abilities and i for one would like to see this being used to greater effect. I think this is why many are dissapointed in the finale, what mighty battle we expected turn out to be a few punches and a sword once Hiro was taught how to use it in 2 minutes while Ando went out to grab a kebab.
Good storylines, poor use of effects thus far, it hasnt really delivered what was promised, for me anyways. Hopefully season 2 will improve.
You have a lot of good points in your post, points which I can't rationalize away. I'm looking forward to heroesdefects.com. Maybe the writers will check it out too.
The fight needed alot of work but the little plot stories are as always quite entertaining.
The person who said the gun should've been removed by malfunction or availability is absolutely right, because regardless of her age she knew Peter couldn't be killed just like she knew she couldn't be killed when she begged Parkman to shoot her so Ted wouldn't shoot her mother. They - Claire and Peter are merely speculating about a weak spot that can kill them. They didn't die because of a weak spot they died because the weapon was left in - preventing regeneration.
But I can't understand how Sylar could get killed that easily. He stopped Matt's bullets that are traveling with I dunno-miles-per hour EASILY, but he couldn't stop a big, fat, screaming japanese running to him with a sword? Just a "YOuuuuuu"? I mean come on.......that's kinda LAME!
Claire's hesitation was totally believable. You are all forgetting that Peter WAS DEAD, until Claire found the glass imbedded in his brain. Peter told her, "You know the exact place to shoot me that will truly kill me." Claire believed - true or not - that she would actually be killing him - that he could not regenerate from this. Plus the added pressure that she has to shoot him in exactly the right spot in his head and that the bullet cannot pass through, but be embedded. Plus the fact that he is not only the man who saved her life, but the man who made her feel like less of a freak AND he turns out to be her biological uncle. And she doesn't even know how to drive a car yet!! Give a teenager a break!
I think the point is that these are exceptionally ORDINARY people who suddenly have exceptional powers. They are overwhelmed, easily lead, scared, and feel out of control - for the most part. They are still human beings with fears and insecurities.
I thought it might be significant that Molly was with Nicki, DL and Micah at the end. Nicki was hugging her. I wondered if she would join that family.
I believe that Sylar is dead - or his body is dead. His blood running into the sewer and the cockroach - very interesting, and I'm sure significant. But I think he's dead. Time will tell!
I was NOT disappointed, and cannot wait to find out who is even worse then "the boogeyman!"
And I loved the teaser for next season (although I thought it was going to be Peter falling to the ground!).
i believe it could be who molly warned suresh about.
remember back to the opening scene of the series…Suresh’s lecture? he focused on how cockroaches can be considered as being the most evolved life form…even more so than humans....
the cockroach was present with sylar when he was incarcerated at the paper factory, and again near the sewer in the finale…
seems he's been watching everything and may need sylar for something...
I do not mean to pick a fight, he did have good evidence to support many of his theories, but I just dissagreed with something that he said and felt that there should be somewhere that other readers can get the other side of the story. Good luck to your new site Genghis I will visit it reacurringly. (I do like to better know the other side of the story.)
Also my big defect/inconsistency :
When a nuclear bomb is detonated above a city, there is an EMP wave (part of all nuclear explosions) which hits all electronics. The power should have gone out after the explosion but I didn't see that happening.
See: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?A...
for talk about nukes above america.....
Question: In ‘Landslide,’ it seemed you guys went out of your way to make sure we knew Candice’s true form wasn’t that of a beautiful, skinny brunette. Yet when Candice gets knocked out cold by Nikki, she reverts back to the cute brunette. If she was unconscious and seemingly unable to control her power, shouldn’t she have reverted to her true form, which presumably would be an overweight or obese person?
Answer: OR – she was still barely conscious – OR – her subconscious so strongly desired to be thin that she was able to maintain that form – OR – people might be over thinking this.
This quote, especially the last line, suggests to me that at least some of the writers really don't care about some of the plot holes that bother people on this forum. I talk about this in more detail at my forum, but I'm not going to say anymore here in case by post gets deleted.
PS Thanks for the encouragement, godsend.
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Also, Chris, from this forum, posts any interesting question at http://heroesdefects.com/forums/3/topics/19: How would you have ended it? He has a couple of good suggestions. I wonder what other ideas people have...
we know that she can see sylar.. so who else??
another villain??
or maybe ando ??
maybe Peter is regenerating by himself to a far-off place where no person has been to
maybe Mama Petrelli is the other villain , or another CREATURE?!?!!
Here's where I think they left things a little messy.
1) Why didn't Sylar go after Hiro's power. If Sylar could bend time and space, he would have been unstoppable. Well, except maybe in a fight with Peter.
2) Peter had met Hiro early in the season on the train. Wouldn't he have Hiro's powers, too. He should have had regeneration, invisibility, radioactivity-nuke, super hearing, Nicky's speed and strength, etc. Add teleport, time freeza, and time travel, and it's a blowout, no contest battle. In fact, if you went back and listed everyone special Peter met in the series, he would have been way more powerful than Sylar. Double in fact, when he fought Sylar, Peter would have absorbed all of Sylar's powers, right?
Smaller issue:
3) What are the scars from on Future Peter's face? He can regenerate. Can he lose powers after a certain time?
1) What is Old lady Patrelli's power?
2) What is Hiro's father's power?
3) Who is the "way worse" person Molly mentioned?
The only reason Claire was important was that if she gave Sylar regeneration powers, he would be almost impossible to stop. So all she had to do was go far away with the Haitan, and it would have been difficult for Sylar or anyone special to get to her using any special abilities. The Haitian counters abilities. That would have left Peter and the others to deal with Sylar, which they did. Claire actually played no real role in the final conflict, except wimp out.
Hiro could find out when Sylar's mother was born and kill him as a child, or kill her before she has Sylar (Gabriel). It's The Terminator plot all over again, right?
Time manipulation is way too powerful compared to any other power. For just about anything, Hiro could have a do-over. Just keep trying until you get it right. I know he couldn't always control where or when he would appear, but he was able to do it some times.
Teleportation is also a very great power compared to most of the other ones.
And he was much better at stopping time than time travel. He could have stopped time and killed Sylar any time they were in the same city, like when he failed to kill Sylar with the sword the first time. He used his powers to get out of that fight. Why didn't he just stop time before entering the building?
He stopped time to fold all 1,000 origami birds for Charlie. He could have easily killed Sylar when time was frozen.