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i want SYLAR to kill them all......
when is redemptin gonna come out.....
please please fast.......
why dint clair gave some bloood to save nathan's life like she did in season 2 to save NOva's life.....................
i think writer mst hv forgot dat episode
Goodbye..
1) peter regains his original power only now he knows how to use it like arthur did. sylar kill nathen and turns into nathen. peter takes sylar powers and leaving him shaped as nathen. then prolly matt makes sylar believe he is nathen.
another similar option:
2) peter absorbs matt's sons power "touch and go" with this power he can trigger on and off powers then, same thing happen as in 1)
sylar kill nathen and turns into nathen. peter takes sylar powers and leaving him shaped as nathen. then prolly matt makes sylar believe he is nathen.
even though they announced that someone will die in this ep, i feel that no one should die, be it nathan, peter, sylar or noah....i'll miss heroes and will be restless till september(lol).....
Angela, Peter & Clair are in a NJ Diner. Angela puts a quarter in the table juke box & a familure song comes on, something about believeing.. we cut to Nathan/Sylar trying to park his car outside, all the while the familure song gets louder in the mix. We see Angela looking at random people in the diner and some look back at her… then we see Nathan/Sylar enter the diner, angela looks up and……….
"I can tell you this Nathan dies for real, Sylar gets brainwashed by
Parkman so he thinks he's Nathan, Sylar frames Danko for a bunch of murders,
Hiro begins to have a stroke due to his powers, Peter gains all of Sylar's
Abilities, and Tracy returns on a killing spree as a person who can turn
into and control water."
SPOILERS
Peter: trying to get on Sylar trying to find him and kill him
Sylar: Reclaiming other ppl's abilities
Claire: trying to live a normall life in college
Angela: Starts new company with Noah
Noah: works with the haitan and gets the "Dangerous" Ppl with abilities
Tracy: i dont really know
Michah: trying to convince tracy to live w/ him and worktogethor as a super team
Matt: tries to live a normal life and protect his family and raise his baby boy
Ando and Hiro:?not sure
He confirms that there is much more to his story with Janice and his son Matt Jr. and confirms Janice has "secrets. Grunberg even suggests that it is possible that Janice has an ability as well.
Maybe not so shocking but it is our first hint at an extended story line for the Parkmans.
this is from CBR: (this spoiler has now been removed) requested by NBC.
IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW THIS SPOILER DONT READ IT !!!
"I can tell you this Nathan dies for real, Sylar gets brainwashed by
Parkman so he thinks he's Nathan, Sylar frames Danko for a bunch of murders,
Hiro begins to have a stroke due to his powers, Peter gains all of Sylar's
Abilities, and Tracy returns on a killing spree as a person who can turn
into and control water."
Wow that's also an interesting ending but man o man peter. I just thought about it when peter touched sylar he got his ability to see all that sylar experienced thus able to use all of sylars ability just as effectively as sylar. Man i hope peter gets the hunger and it wont be a probably for sylar to get his memory back as soon as he touches someone he will be like man i see everything they have experienced or if someone lies to him he gets a headache. I hope sylar's dad comes back in the picture. Oh wow tracy seems to be hard to kill now.
Peter with the hunger is a beast again
...and it may be just me, but it was not Nathan's body who was being burned...the face looked like Sylar, did it not?
Up until the burning scene, I thought the same as everyone else here, which was that Nathan was dead and Sylar was made to believe that he was Nathan...
But I could have sworn it was Sylar's body being burned at the end...which made me wonder how Sylar's body could be burned and how Nathan was still alive...
Up until the preview for Chapter 5 in the last minute, I understood it as the only way they could kill Sylar was to make him believe he was Nathan, which basically removed all of his memories as Gabriel Gray and gave him all of Nathans, including the one of Nathan (himself) dying...thus killing him...again, I figured this was the only way they could think of to kill Sylar...and then they saved Nathan's life with Claire's blood, just like they healed him when he was burned...
Am I the only one who saw Sylar's body being burned???
No, you got it ALL wrong.
- Sylar kills Nathan
- Angela and Noah convince Matt to replace Sylar's memories with Nathan's, making him believe he is in fact Nathan.
- They burn the original shape-shifters body which is still in the form of Sylar, convincing their friends and family that Sylar is finally "dead".
Nathan is officially dead and gone, at least for now. One possibility is that Peter and Claire will eventually find out what Angela and Noah have done. Peter will be infuriated with his mother, and attempt to revive Nathan's deceased corpse with Claire's blood (or his own, if he regains his abilities, which he probably won't for a while... The last confirmed ability he had was Shape-shifting). This will also trigger Claire's reason to kill Noah, which Tim Kring has admittedly said she will do before the end of the show.
All in all I feel it was a great episode, it delivered the goods and then some. I'm not someone who feels the need to pick appart every friggen thing and disect it like a frog in science class. People, its a TV show, a comic book brought to life.. relax, really.
I thought in the ep 1961 they agreed no more secrets?. I'm Geussing in the next season Sylar will start realizing whats happening and go with it till he has a vantage point of somesort. Tracy is the new Villain I had a feeling it was her some one needs to freeze her ass and keep her on ice. you wouldnt really be able to kill her since shes water and water is re-newable even if you were to boil her and turn her to steam she would evaporate and come back in the rain. I just dont know how they will get sylar back if Matt is still around to keep convincing him hes Nathen.. A good Episode none the less
"Later, everyone gathers to burn Sylar's body (the shapeshifter James Martin's body, which was in deep freeze in Building 26)"
There. I said it.
As for Peter, I am pretty excited to see him having all of sSlars powers. For me when he first aborsbed the hunger oin the future only to lose it a few shows later was very upsetting. I thought it would be a good story line to see how he could learn to control the hunger and it would be interesting to see the ten so new powers Sylar got over season three. Perhaps he can even go back to his empathy because sylar was able to get elles without cutting her head open. This would be a good way to get back his empathical powers and stop all the annoying complaints about Peter all weak. So kudos to that
As for Sylar/Nathan, I am sure that this will not be the end for Quinto on the show. His storyline will consist of flashbacks and confusing moments when his powers will become active. Sooner or Later the old Sylar will be back, he is a fan favorite.
Noah/Angela will go back to making a new company etc etc. Nothing new there, but they probaly will have to deal with Matt sooner or later.
Hiro I am not to sure about because it looks like he was having signs of a stroke ever time he stops time. It is kinda annoying how they keep limiting his power use after they got rid of time travel. Whatever they have planned for the boy, just leave his power be its has been screwed up enough.
Claire's Future seems up for grabs now that she is a peace with Sylar's "Death" for the time being. She is always saying how she wants to help so maybe training her to become a new company agent may be in order?
Mohinder in my view is dead on the show. Has he done anything but run around and moan for the majority of volume four? I was kinda hoping they would kill him off this season. The only two things I could see him doing is helping Hiro with his illness or following the new company being a new founder.
Matt Parkman's story line looks like its heading back towards the season one plot of just taking care of his family while having kick ass powers. He will though have to hide his secret for a while so we can wait and see what happens with him.
Tracy looks like she is pissed off and is killing all those who did her "kind" wrong, by turning them all into piss :)
Volume Five looks very promising and hopefully it wont be as bad as people are worrying about. Now lets see some more Samson Gray and Claude and we are set.
"I can tell you this Nathan dies for real, Sylar gets brainwashed by
Parkman so he thinks he's Nathan, Sylar frames Danko for a bunch of murders,
Hiro begins to have a stroke due to his powers, Peter gains all of Sylar's
Abilities, and Tracy returns on a killing spree as a person who can turn
into and control water."
http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2009/04/...
This site has always been pretty clear the true spoilers and all the other ones have come true so sorry.... Pylar we wont know until its confirm in the next season or by the writers
Also, I had a thought, what if Sylar's son in the future ends up being Claire's son also?
If you search for an interview done w/ Bryan Fuller about Vol. 4 and Tracy you'll see that they stated that she didn't die in Cold Snap. They said that they had plans for Tracy's character in season 4. I think the interview may even actually be on this site.
So here is my theory: Peter will start to have trouble from all of sylar's powers and he probably woný be able to get rid of them that easily. He will start to comfuse himself with sylar.He will eventually find out that sylar wasn't killed and he will start suspecting that he is sylar.Nathan/sylar will become suspicious and in the end it will be a quest for both Peter and Nathan to find out who's real and who's fake :D.
And in the end both will find out the truth and Sylar will be won by his nathan counterpart which is probably stronger.
I'm curious how will peter handle all those abilities.Probably empathy will take over since it's natural for him. And what about IA? Well guess he will bury it deep within him and never use again.
Even though common sense and continuity says that Claire could have just brought Nathan back to life with a blood transfusion, that's been done before (at least twice).....and wouldn't have been as amazing or captivating as the solution that transpired. So I’m glad they didn’t go there again. The current scenario puts the whole duality of Peter vs. Sylar under a brighter light. Notice how they were the last ones standing around the fire at opposite ends of the fire circle like yin & yang? I've said this before, and will say it again because it's relevant now than ever before - Peter and Sylar were originally written to be brothers - two sides to the same coin. Now this has come to pass. Peter and Sylar already were opposites, but it’s now more poetic, intense and epic. Sidenote – I like how Hiro was able to quickly determine whether to leave the door open for HRG and Danko to escape due to the fact that he stopped time right when it seemed they will shake hands……it shows that he has enough trust or faith in Noah to actually take the chance of letting Danko back in control, even though H & A subdued the agents.
Now, I foresee that “Nathan” will live his so called life for a while, spacing out and feeling like something is “off”. Eventually, the dark soul of Sylar will reemerge from under Nathans flesh and realize who he has been this whole time. Eerily similar to how innocent Gabriel Gray must have felt when Sylar first started emerging from within. It’s not too far fetched to imagine that the same kind of thing happened then, albeit in a way not directly influenced by a single person – but rather this force that show keeps referring to. What Matt did to Sylar was essentially the equivalent of some wizard casting a spell on someone in the dark ages – it can only last so long. Especially with a personality as strong as Gabriels. Because it’s Sylars soul animating Nathans body and not Nathans, there is a disconnect….like it’s robotic. “Nathan” will become confused and not feel like the person everyone says & believes he should be. I’ll bet this awakening happens close to the same time (maybe a little beforehand) as the 5YG future happened when he and Peter faced off in the Federal building. That’s why I also believe that the only ones that know what happened with the ole ‘Naylar switcheroo ‘ is Angela, Noah and Matt. I don’t think Peter knows. At least he won’t for a while, I hope.
The season 4 storyline of Peter thinking his brother survived and how that suspense builds and potential ultimate unveiling sounds promising. It leads to the 5YG future in so many ways……and while the details are different enough – it still leads to the same inevitable destination. Fantastic episode imho. The cast and crew nailed it. Certain moments were heavily reminiscent of Season 1……..especially the limo scene. I had a seven minutes to midnight flashback. The soundtrack……the music and season 1 sound effects were especially big & profound. Don’t underestimate the sublime power of the music / sounds used in this show. It’s a big reason for why season 1 was such a success (we tend to forget that – don’t forget this show!)……..how it was crafted in tonights’ episode was nostalgic. Even Mohinders V.O. was great to hear, especially what he said. Even if they can’t find a useful or engaging storyline for Suresh, he could narrate from beyond the grave – which would actually make it even more mystical that it already seems. It’s already as if he is omniscient…..observing this drama unfolding and waxing poetic about it. They should redeem Mohinder by allowing him to die, only to come back as a sort of “Hindi spirit guide” visiting his old friends via remote viewing like he used to. I like the deep connotations of the title of the episode too. Everyone just thought it had to do with Claude, or even the hidden way Peters ability now works…..but it was so much more. That particular group (minus one or two) has been pulled together so often and the intricacies that tie them all together is interesting in an evolutionary and even metaphysical sense……as if they belong together to form a heroic, mystical, superpowered Vol Tron made of humans instead of big cat machines.
That's right. Peter has only shape-shifting ability right now :/
What it looks like to me is that peter finally mastered his new touch stealing abilities, the same way many others have mastered and improved the extents of their abilites in the show.
You see, Peter had already new what power he was going for and going into battle with Sylar he knew he was only going to get to touch him for a second and in that secoud he stole the only power that could work against Sylar, the only power that could get him close enough for a one on one with his guard down, ShapeShifting. I most definitely believe that THAT was peters plan.
So yes, at that time he only had and only needed the ability to Shapeshift. However, once he tricked Sylar into the shaking hands thats when it all changed, Peter with his 2ndlvl abilities if you will, had more that enough time while shaking Sylar's hand to steal everyone of his abilities.
What gave it away?...Sylar's reaction. Notice once pete's shaking his hand, Sylar, starts morphing into bits of everyone he's changed into as well as everyone who's powers he stolen. For those of you who recorded the episode watch that part again frame by frame. His face changes in weird ways, you'll notice things like his face morphing with (example) claire's nose and mouth, but with nathan's eye's and hair, never a face you can make out because he's morphing into peices of everyone combined into one face.
This is my theory and sounds pretty if you ask me =)
You've got a good point. Noah was dead for a GOOD minute before the blood was given to him ressurecting his body. I guess that's why they haven't said anything yet about what they did w/ Nathan's body.
However, I can see why they didn't yet or if they are even going to bring Nathan back. If Nathan would have been revived it woould have been the third time in a row that he was healed/revived by someone so I can see how they writers would think that fans would see that option being used too much.
Good observation though.
About the shapeshifting ability, I guess noone in the show is going to explain how they shapeshift with the clothes. For example, Peter magically shapeshifted into the president's body in his blue suit and he shapeshifted into himself in his black clothing. Did the clothing become Peter's part of body so he can manipulate fabric or is he just naked and manipulating his dna so that his skin looks like fabric?
I mean in the it's useless to discuss what Peter has. A stupid writer can change anything whenever he feels like it. I know it's a just show but I think they can put some more effort into it.
but i guess it was to keep the audience guessing about if peter touched Sylar.
'does this mean ZQ is gone!?'
..i don't think i'd able to stand that :|
Refer back to when Tracy went to look for Dr. Zimmerman.
also they didnt have time to hook up nathan to claires blood as nathan needed to meet with the president quickly and they needed to stop the whole 'hunting for specials' thing quick.
also a bit disappointed about the nathan/sylar/peter fight but was a bit shocked when sylar slit nathans throat,that kind of threw me a bit
lookin forward to the next series
At the end of the episode where Tracey broke into pieces the fragment of her face that was intact had an eye wink and a smile. That was the clue that Tracey was not dead.
so now nathan is basically stuck in sylars body (which means angela knows a lot more than see lets on cause she feed the girl to sylar that made this whole occurence possible.) Two major questions come to my mind....
1- What power is nathan(sylar) going to have? Surly it should be sylars, because its technically still his body (this will be a great surpirse to nathan when he goes to fly somewhere).
2- If this is sylars ability, with nathans memories (empathy) then will nathan/sylar start to have a similar power as peter did first season? (think back to how sylar got elles power)
why does nathan have to die? claire can use her blood to revive him cant she? in season 2 it happened a few times.
other then that im disappointed that we didnt see a hell of a battle between syler and the patrely bros
This was a great episode. Yes, they COULD have used Claire's blood to heal Nathan, but to be honest, that wouldn't leave much of a plot for Volume 5 and with Sylar thinking he's Nathan, then the series gets to keep Sylar.
Also, personally I think the woman in Volume 5 is Tracy, her ability has obviously developed and she still wants to take down everyone from building 26, especially because she had no idea that it has already been stopped. However, it could equally be Barbara as we have seen that family members have been known to have similar abilities.
Oh and someone on here said that Jessica was one of the three sisters, she wasn't!! She was Nikki's sister but she wasn't one of the triplets, if you look back at series 2, you'll find out that the three sisters are Nikki, Tracy and Barbara.
1) So Sylar thinks he's Nathan now eh? That's an interesting plot idea. Except that when Nathan tries to fly he's going to find that he can't. Levitating using telekinesis is not even remotely comparable to flying. You would think he'd figure that out in 6 weeks or less.
2) We can save HRG with Claire's blood, but not Nathan. Yeah that makes sense, because the average IQ of a Heroes viewer must be 60. And for the fans defending this because "it makes season 4 more interesting"... just stop. When you have to break continuity within a story to make it interesting, that's probably a sign that either you're writers suck, or the series has come to an end (which it did after the second volume, if not the first).
Those are two glaring problems with this "season finale" if one can even call it that. And there is always the massive infringement going on with Tracy's power being absolutely identical to Bobby Frost's from X-Men.
1) No reason to kill off Nathan. If he is really dead, They can pull off another Father Petrelli. Noah gets a sample of Claire's blood and injects Nathan's frozen body.
2) Who says that Sylar didnt take Nathan's powers while he was knocked out! So maybe Sylar was flying when he killed Nathan.
3) IMO, Peter has all of Sylar's powers when he shock his hand. Remember the shape-shifting power is DNA based. So he took all of Sylars powers and memories. Now the interesting thing is does this turn Peter into the bad ass Peter version from the future.
4) I think Mohindar will be back. No one else has his powers. First they kill off Nikki who had similar powers. Now they have no clue what to do with him. I think the writers need to work on his character. This constant flipping back and forth is BS.
5) They really need to work on Matt's character. I dont like the back and forth BS. Next to Peter he is to powerful for this BS.
What happened to Danko? He was tranq'd then what?
Now, we have the last half of the season that just makes no sense to me. It just doesn't seems to connect, even if there were two stories within the season, where is the relation? At the begining of the season, we have the World is going to split, then we have the abilities are somehow connected to the evolution of the universe. Now its like, what??
Having said all of that, what seems to be going on is what Angela said, in this epsisode. Everthing that is happinening although it seems random, is leading up to a bigger calamity. Like she said what ever she dreams she can't change, but she can somehow influence. I'm guessing, she tried to change the future before, and it became bad.
If All the events in season 3 seem pointless, yet have a bigger meaning, then, yeah, season, 4 better like be the bomb. Because at some point the dots have to be connected. right?? anyone???
And yeah they should of brought nathan back with claire's blood but i don't think they thought of that (the charactors i mean) they would not of realised as only naoh knew about the blood thing and i didn't think he would let his claire bear see her father dead and just saved her the heart break.
oh and even though sylar is now nathan he still has all his abilities and one of them being to know the history of anything he touches so won't sylar/nathan get his memory back when he touches something in his offiice that sylar/himself had touched so hmmm. And also don't you think he will figure it out when for some reason he does not age or die
the Ando killing hiro thing is tthat still on.....maybe because hiro can not use his powers as it is killing him because they were taken by Arther P and maybe he goes after the formula again to retore his powers to full and thats when Ando kills him because if you look close hiro has the to halves of the formula in his hand . Ando's super charge power can also be used as a weapo and maybe when ando used his power to knock out the agents in the van and hiro was in the van also and after that power shock from ando thats when his powers started to kill him so maybe its ando fault he could of fried hiro's brain
they can not bring dafne back she dies in hospital from an infection
For the theory of Peter, I'm pretty sure once he shapeshifted back into himself after the president, he used it to cover up the cuts on his body. Like Sylar moving the spot to kill him permanently.
If you're going to attack the show, then don't even post because this is a discussion thread and not a flaming thread. The episode was great, the clock bit at the end referring to the "Seven minutes to midnight" bit was good too, except it was noon and not midnight. Either way, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all. I don't see you guys writing a show to satisfy people all around the world.
All you people who claim that heroes is still doing well are just lying to yourselves. ive been watching this show from day 1, and i can confidently say that this show has lost it's spark. i am sick of the horrible writing on this show and they have ruined this good show for me. Talk about an anticlimactic ending, bloody hell
I'm very reluctant on watching this next season.
And what's with these stupid storylines, like tracy as the villain next season , who the hell gives a damn... kill her off!! there seriously milking this show dry coming up with ridiculous story lines.
Anybody with me on that?
and for people who are upset with the hiro situation, i heard that next season will be amazing, in terms of storyline for his chacter along with ando of course....and maybe surish?
and this season did make sense everything connected they started it off with a glimpse of the future torn aprat because of abilities. so peter along with the other heroes did everything to stop the distrbution of ablities which they did, ergo that furture has changed, alone with ando killing hiro. not going to happen.
then if you remember the two part eclpise episodes, where nathan and peter travel to haiti's to bring back the haitian, at the end of that nathan realizes giving people abilites is a good thing(so there could be a army of people with ablities to stop people like sylar/ haitians brother). but peter knows better because of his trip into the future. so when peter stops nathan and his father, nathan get another idea.. lets just round up all people with abilities and go from there. now its onto fugitives where thats whats happening, and again peter stops nathan who realized afterwards what he did was a biig mistake, therefore now its onto redemtion.
Besides, if you want the first season back, go watch it on tv.
Don't like it, don't watch it but don't sit here and make us read your statements all because you have some uncontrollable anger against the writers. You all praised Brian for coming back and now that you don't have what you want, you sit here and complain over and over again. For the real Heroes fan, you adapt with the change and you go with it. The show has lost some touch, but it's still the same Heroes. You people are too picky.
Back to the topic of the final episode: The reason people are complaining about this finale is because it sucked. The story has completely come off the rails. They obviously came up with an awesome idea (making Sylar believe his is Nathan) and then were determined to find a way to make it happen. And I'm serious when I say that it was an awesome idea. They just forgot the rules of their own universe in implementing it. With such MAJOR continuity issues related to a MAJOR (see: only part of the episode that actually mattered) part of the plot, the episode is asking to be mocked. Maybe they can revive the heart of the series with some of Claire's blood? Nah, they'd just probably forget.
Also, the finale didn't really suck. It had a good tie to everything that had done and opened it up for Redemption, too. Claire using her blood would be so pointless, because it wouldn't of had the same impact. Obviously this "Nathan" is going to go under some changes and it'll make it even better to watch the show now because we'll have a Nathan twisted with a bit of Sylar. Honestly, I also don't see how they forgot their rules of their own universe. It was always shown the telepaths had an insane amount of control over the mind. Nightmares, dreams, painting the future, etc. Making someone believe they're someone else doesn't make it that hard?
Bottomline is this episode was a terrible way to finish the season
Shows like Veronica Mars are axed when shows like this carry on wasting money... What a load of BS!! If you watch any episode of Veronica Mars it puts this show to shame!
Sylar isn't dead Nathan Petrilli is and Sylar's belief that he is Nathan but the obvious showing of some of his old personality "that clock is one an a half minutes fast" shows that maybe a darker side of Nathan will surface and eventually lead back to Sylar.
Tracy's transformation was ridiculous.
I would like to see more of Micah and Rebel.
It would be cool to see Claire turn on the new "company" as she realizes that Nathan is Sylar - which she will- she knew Nathan better than anyone else "I thought you were right handed" Sylar in the form of Nathan" I'm ambidexterous my writing is always sloppy either way"
Or will Sylar's ability to absorb memories play in somehow....
Poor Hiro looks as if he stops time again he will die- which is ashame as he is the hit character of the series. It would be cool if his power morphed into something new....(whatever happened to the Ando is going to kill me subplot where Hiro is holding half of the original formula in the future??)
I am annoyed with the coninuality but the ties on the final episode were ok.
there's a lot of inconsistency in the series.. why opt sylar to be nathan when you can revive him... in the previous season claire's blood can revive people or heal other people... that's the reason noah is alive.. if you remember claire puts or drop some of her blood to noah... its just pathetic making someone to be another guy if you know that claire can be the solution...
I agree though Tracy was rubbish drowning people with her water-- there are much more interesting plot twists that can happen there.
I can't wait to see more.
As for the whole peter shapeshifting into the president i don't believe he actually had to shake the presendt's hand to shape shift so all he did was convince the security to let him be the president so he could take down sylar. Though it think it would have been pretty cool if the president himself had had powers which is what i originally thought.
Mohinder's taking at the begigning of the show and at end i've never paid attention to and i feel that it takes away from the show, like what was all that about them being connected but then the bond is now broken. Completely useless if you ask me.
Hiro and Peter used to be my two favorite characters and though i liked the idea of his dad being able to take powers i think peter should have been able to get his full power back when he injected himself and hiro should have never lost his power.
They should have left tracy strauss as it was with her freezing herself and all the agents to save mika.
The whole Noah lying to claire to protect her has gotten old as well but i see they're going to continue that into the next season. If you ask me noah should have died when he let the hatian shoot him in the chest to protect claire or a least when mohinder shot him.
Also, i hate touch and go baby.
Example 1. When Clair came into the room after the showdown Peter was cut up bleeding not healing.
Example 2. He could not fly after sylar when Nathan and him went out the window, but were led to believe that both of them flew at sylar when they went into the room.
Example 3. After the showdown in the lobby, when the agents came he was limping and still had those cuts on his face.
I mean come on, if the writers used clair's blood on evertime someone dies then nobody would ever leave then show..
p.s. I hope samson makes a return. i would love to see him become the new sylar in '5'....
And annyone else see how similar sylar's TK was to dolyl's...
Secondly, Claire should be used to seeing those types of morbid situations. If you remember back to season one she was there w/ Noah when the Haitian shot him and wiped his memories. Also, she was right there when Noah was shot in the head by Mohinder. Therefore, using the whole Claire not being able to handle that type of situation is not a viable excuse.
That is why people are upset. They feel that the writers completely overlooked that option and thought that people wouldn't remember these details. Granted, I do not disagree w/ the whole having a character die in the series, but (and I think I speak for a lot of people on this) feel that more details should have been noticed and executed the scenario better.
And of course they can kill Sylar if they have hold of him like that. They can cut out his brain and pick it apart, burn it, etc. Unless a single cell could contain all his regenerative powers, he can be killed.
Seems like a lame excuse to keep Sylar as a villain, rather than coming up with something other than yet another season where everyone's fighting Sylar.
2nd - if Nathan was revived by Claire's blood- everyone would've complained that no one dies, he dies and the opposite happens.
3rd - if his body is intact and gets revived later, half of you will complain about that.
Can't you just enjoy the show and not nit-pick everything?
Sorry but it is sooo annoying seeing all these complaints....
yes certain things have changed that that future in season 1 is altered a little but the premis is still there. forget about season 3 villians. Old writers look at the obvious he is and will link season 4 to season 1.
Before people start bashing the show, you need to go watch the seasons more. You obvioulsy jump to conclusions without refering back to the other seasons. You think the writers, who wrote ALL the shows I mind you, don't know what they are doing. They know everything, because THEY WROTE THE SHOW.
They are doing a great job, and should keep up the good work. Its a show made for our enjoyment, and thats what you should be watching it for. You shouldn't just keep critisizing, if you don't like it stop watching it and posting stuff on these comment threads. It hurts the show because you always want different things, and when they change things for those comments everyone makes, you just want something else. Watch the show like I do, and just be happy that its on. It makes for great television anyway they write it.
Sorry but I needed to vent, and say that. Im getting tired of these childish remarks that people make, about heroes.
Good points, man. It is a science FICTION show, and it is a lot better than watching some of the mindless reality shows on t.v. right now. VH1 and MTV, don't act like you don't know who you are.
However its not real life and its certainly got everyone talking!
Perhaps Angela knows he cannot be revived because her dreams cannot be changed and Nathan is dead. She seems pretty sure he is dead when she sees him and unaware that he can be saved.
If HRG and Bob were the only other ones to know then perhaps HRG has his own agenda for not reviving Nathan. Its BS that they didnt think of it or it would be too harsh for Claire. Maybe HRG knew that now Sylar moved his "sweet spot" then this was the only way to stop him and Nathan's death was simply a means to an end. Sylar is again controlled rather than killed but we all know how that will end! :)
I for one enjoyed it and if you think you can write a better plot then you go ahead im sure you will be rich in no time!
Second, yes! there r and there were holes in the scenario from the very beggining.
However its a very nice series.
As for the episode. I m not sure Angella knows that she can revive Nathan, at least not for now. Noah surely does, but that makes it interesting. Maybe the plan from the beggining was to make Sylar be somebody else(As we can remember he cannot die. He survived several times from explosions). And for that they needed Matt Parkman. The irony is that Angella and Noah make Matt to believe he must do that. And they do not need special ability to do this. They act just as when they were in the company. I m pretty sure this will cause a lot of trouble in the future.
Hiro is ill because he uses his power too much. We remember him to tell Ando that he makes a lot of things in a while. What Mohinder tells him that his power is killing him like a virus, its crap. Noone else has died like that because of his power.
Peter is very confident that he will stop Sylar. He only has one power but he goes for it. That is suspicious. Of cource Sylar has a lot of powers but he does n t know that Peter has only one. That s why he expects a battle. The battle has lasted for a while and we don t know what happened. I mean Peter and Nathan were flying to him like bees? Maybe Claire saw somthing more...
A heroes league vs a villains league would be interesting for next season and there could be a poll for this. But it would seem too much of X-men and I suppose the writers do not want this.
If they can bring all the characters back with an injection, it would destroy the show. The writers have previously stated that they wouldn't do it again for that very reason. Death on Heroes has been lame for some time because its meaningless. Recently they've been able to improve on that with Daphne's sad death, and Nathan's violent one. And having the same character come back to life AGAIN would be the lamest thing they could do.
Hiro and how he nearly dies when he stops time was so stupid, just take his power away again if it's going to be like that.
I was sad to see Nathan die, just the way it happened, he went down fighting sorta but I was hoping we would see him get a few blows on Sylar at least.
The final thing that pissed me off was that we didn't get to see ANY of the fight vs Sylar. The budget must be like 10 dollars for the show or something.
How long will it be before Sylar knows he is Sylar? Not long I think, not long...
if only J.J. Abrams come direct heroes shows with Tim Kring, Bryan Fuller then it will be awesome. 3 great minds creating Heroes.
THE AIR DATE OF NEXT SEASON??????????????????
Tracy is back? Again? And as the new villain to replace Sylar? Whatever. For the love of God please kill her off.
And this weird Sylar trapped in Nathan's body bit? Like anyone would seriously take a chance letting Sylar live - especially Parkman.
If I wanted to be frustrated, confused and disappointed I'd watch Lost.
Like others mentioned before me, Clair's blood could have saved Nathan.
Now it is normal to poke holes in the logic of the storyline in this kind of shows, but fans tend not to be too petty if they like the show and watch it regularly, like myself. However, this time it was too obvious and apparent. Even fans that stared to watch on Volume 3 can notice this illogical turn of events.
Nathan is dead and Syler exists as Nathan?
How long before he realizes his urge to kill? or to find out how things work? or even before he realizes he is not aging!
All of the writers' hard work went down the drain in one stupid decision.
Sorry Heroes but I won't be watching the next volume.
That's a shame.
I agree with someone's brilliant idea way back on this thread that Peter took one ability, shapeshifting, but when he touched (shook hands) with Sylar the 2ND TIME, he absorbed all of the rest of Sylar's abilities, hence his shock and all of the shapeshifting.
I can't wait to see what will happen next season, if that is so!
I will miss Zachary Quinto, maybe he'll realize soon he is Sylar and change back! (Then I'll miss Nathan grin)
The whole not using Claires blood thing is a point, but i dont think it was stupid. Sylar cant die, he moved the part you need to stab so by making him beleive he is Nathan he is beaten. Unfortunatly Matt screwd up and still left some of Sylar inside. About using powers Matt theoretically could supress Sylars abilities as they are in his mind, abit like the Haitian. I think this is what Matt is meant to have done but he has not done it very well.
Peter absorbing abilities i dont know. I thought he had taken them all until i looked at this forum and i thought that would be how he would get the ability to hold more than one. There is nothing that says he cant pick and choose or that the person he touches needs to be using the ability he steals, he takes Nathans ability to fly when Nathan is on the ground so why not shapeshifting when Sylar isn't using it?
Why is everyone complaining about the battle? There wasn't one. The whole point of the "battle" was that Peter had to touch Sylar. What were you expecting to see? Two guys flying around a room dodging lightning bolts?
I tohught the person at the end was going to be the third twin but after reading this i'm not sure. It is intresting how people are posting "things said by the writers" yet in a few posts the writers are supposedly saying Tracey and in a few Barbara so we will see. Personally i think it probably is Tracey but also think it is a bit silly her power progression. Yes ice and water are related but it is a bit like Meredith (Claires mum) progressing so she could turn into a fireball but ahwell. No i dont think she is the big bad guy, considering they said they were going to be more mysterious this season. It is not very mysterious if they have her in the preview for voume 5 is it?
All in all i tohught it was a great finale. It may not have been the biggest fanciest finale but i tohught it was very effective and will definetly be watching voume 5.
P.S I dont know about the whole morphing clothes thing, i guess it was just to stop them having to stop and make them run off and get changed everytime they shift. One thing is, Sylar never morphed clothes when he changes into Nathan but he got Nathans DNA from a brush, but the people he got the DNA from physical contact he morphs into the clothes they were wearing at the time. I think that is true for all the morphing but it still doesn't really make sense but personally i didn't really want a naked Sylar or Nathan running around on my screen and would have got annoyed if they had to run off and get changed everytime.
Don't you see that there's a total glitch or better not plausible ending in it?
First: Angela wants that Nathan negotiates further with the President, so she could easily use Peter and his shapeshifting ability that he gained from Sylar before rather than turning Sylar into Nathan.
Second: The dead body on the fire is Sylars body, but Sylar is now Nathan (body and mind) and Nathan had NO shapeshifting ability before, therefore Nathan's real body should be on the fire, because he is the dead one, not Sylar.
The dead body on the fire is Sylars yes.. Sylar is now Nathan correct. Nathan has no shapeshifting abilty uh-huh... *stops dead* if they burned Nathans realy body on the fire everyone there would know Nathan isn't Nathan? Kinda defeats the point. The body on the fire is the origianl shapeshifter who was killed by Sylar while in the form of Sylar. So please dont come on and call everyone on the forum blind cause it really makes you look stupid when you are wrong.
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I'm surprised at the number of people complaining about the ending. The writers know what they're doing, even if some people don't like what they've done. The title of the episode is a big clue: "an invisible thread". The writers are working on something in the background - setting the show up for a big conclusion.
Think about the season 1 episode Five Years Gone. Sylar was posing as Nathan, and Peter didn't know. When they met in the corridor near the end of the episode, Sylar says "when I killed Nathan he'd already turned on his own kind."
So now Sylar can assume different shapes again, he's playing the part of Nathan (but doesn't know, yet), Peter doesn't know that he's Nathan either, and Sylar killed Nathan after Nathan started the whole mess with the government. Its so obvious!
And by speaking of Peter, when he injected himself with the "powers formula" how could he fly without touching Nathan? And when he and Matt went to Building 26 he was using Matt's telepathy powers, right? Then, Noah and Danko tried to set him up on a roof of a building and Danko took a shot at Peter (or so I remember)... The question now is: If Peter can use only one power at a time, and that is the power of a person he touched last, how could he read Noah's mind on that roof and then fly away after being shot by Danko? That for me is really confusing... Can anyone help?
my thoughts are Sylar/Nathan is gonna have some serious identity issues, as clearly hinted at in the preview for Volume 5, where he fixes the clock. Angela looks pretty worried about it too. Sylar will eventually come out, hes the ultimate villain, the unstoppable force. this volume i think we might finally see our Sylar vs Peter power battle.
as for resurrecting Heroes, they may not mean resurrecting in the literal sense, perhaps the writers are bringing back old characters. bringing Nathan back to life is just silly, Adrian Pasdar is obviously still in the show, playing Nathan, its just not Nathan anymore.
i believe the water chick is Tracey, shes getting revenge. the only reason i dont believe its Barbara is, there were 3 sisters. i dont see why 2 of them would have water-related powers, then a third have some kind of skitzo super strength. if you're performing genetic experiments with super powers, you wouldnt give the same power to 2 out of 3 sisters, you'd give each one a different ability.
perhaps Barbara could be the super villain, but tap-water girl is Tracey i rekon.
Peter, in touching Sylar, got all his abilities. so i believe he can do everything that Sylar can do, including choosing which power to use, once he understands it. i wonder if he will be able to fight the hunger, which nearly consumed him last time he had Sylars power. and you cant say that Peter can only shapeshift coz Sylar was using that last, coz he wasnt. he was flying and using Elle's lightning, so Peter should have only gotten that if he got Sylars last used power.
I think we WILL get to see flashbacks of the fight between Sylar and Petrelli's. I also think there will be flashbacks of Nathan being revived. Angela knows what the future is going to be. It is a future where Sylar gets control and makes the country believe he is Nathan and everything ends up like the future of season 1. The 2 possibilities are that Nathan is kept in hiding until they can all figure out how to get Sylar killed of for good, or they can somehow get him teleported into the future where Sylar is already dead and he can fix things there ( or perhaps go there to try and kill Sylar)
Peter doesn't need to touch anyone anymore to get their powers. He simply needs to use his original empathic mimicry power. He can control the powers better as he learned this from the invisible man in series one.
did he get that form peter?
did he get that form peter?
Where were Peter and Claire whilst Sylars memory was being changed to make him into Nathan?
If they were off hunting Sylar what did Peter think was happening when he injected Sylar?
I would really appreciate help on this, so the finale ends with me caught up!!
Thanks
I didn't think there was too much Sylar at all. I like him as a character. While he may not be the "big bad" I don't think that's what he's meant to be. He's an evolutionary predator not a super-villain per se. Does he do horrible things? Damn straight but he isn't a cardboard bad guy of the week. So I liked that they have been showing different facets.
I did also notice the plot hole of Nathan and not getting an infusion of Claire's blood to revive him but I'll reserve judgement on that until the new season.
I thought perhaps the situation had been created to allow Quinto to go off and film the next Trek while keeping Sylar in the series.
I'm glad they got rid of Noah's wife and son. I hate that Peter's dad took away his original powers. I hate that they keep dragging Sylar's emotions around like a sick puppy dog, just let him be the bad guy, he loves it. I was laughin my ass off in the last episode when Sylar and Claire were drinking wine and Claire says, "...if you do I'll try to kill you every time I get a chance for the rest of my life" and Sylar replies, "...well, everyone needs a good hobby." Hilarious!
Season 4, people need to die. They need to die in some epic battles to make it all worth it. Claire needs a sex scene. I don't know who with, maybe me, I don't know. :-) They need to bring the Haitian back. What happend to him after he stopped his brother? I remember him talking with Noah back at Primatech when Noah first partnered up with Sylar but that's about it. The Haitians power was remarkable. He stopped everyone's power from within distance. He could stop Sylar at any moment but they never sent him after him.