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And since they all whine at the writers/producers/whatever, I'm interested in the comments to come.
james; Im gonna cut your god dam*ed head . see if that works
victor;hahaaa
james arrrgggrg
Well... The main villain is dead and from what a saw in the preview the new villain isnt that much interesting anyway I like heroes Hardcore fan so i wil keep watching in good and bad times
But he wants to be special,powerful,and sort of save the world, if anything he's a dark version of Peter.
Ppl comment about having the villain from season 1 still there. Apart from the fact that he is a well-written character, played by I think the most talented cast member, Sylar is also a catalyst for the 'real' heroes.
Clair defenitely changed because of what he did,she become tougher...
and oh yeah, i'm sure peter is going to meet matt parkman jr soon and get his powers back.
Now it is impossible to kill sylar..and it's a joke for me to be a end like that..sylar can find out that he's not Petrelli..
the other thing is Ali Larter after she became the water woman :-)
she will try to kill Petrelli cuz he kept her in jail..
so she will find that she can't kill him cuz he's immortal..as sylar body..
i think it's weird end in season 3.. :s
but at least it's something new :D
peace on u all ;-)
Honestly this is the only way the next season could be any good, because Tracy Strauss would make a weak villain in my opinion.
and the end of volume 4 was a little lame with sylars mind being manipulated...surely it cant be that easy to mess with someone who has so much power and so many abilities...
atleast peter has got all of sylars abilities ....it had to be done...but wouldve been nice to see a showdown between sylar and the petrelli bros...and nathan was killed off to easily...again...
also...we werent told whether Peter absorbed all of sylars abilities or just the shapeshifting...yeh we were told he could only absorb one at a time when he touched another person with abilities...but no one else has multiple abilities like sylar, so what if peter was able to absorb all of sylars abilities??
looking forward to redemption...not very impressed with fugitives finale....
Let me guess, in season 4 Sylar will be in touch with baby Matt Parkman and he will recover his personality.
Disapointed of the season final...
im personnally hoping that nathen realises that he can do all this new stuff other than fly and starts asking questions and becomes insane with all this memory stuff going on in his head. maby his regeneration ability will evolve into something more and sylers half will seperate from nathen creating 2 versions of syler the good 1 (nathen) and the pure evil 1 (syler). for those of you that know dragonball z think of the buu story and u will understand what i mean
It really seems like they just start a storyline and then go wherever they want to with it, with no respect for the things they have set up in the past. I don't expect an explanation for everything, but at least they could be true to logic. They have been all over the place this season. As a viewer, I am very disappointed that they think we're so dumb we won't notice.
I loved this show because it was so different from the drivel we are usually force fed. It had so many possibilities and yet, they have gone...probably, wherever tv execs and opinion polls forced them to go.
I love this show and I hope, as others have said, that "Redemption" will be the redemption of the series. I feel like nothing was resolved this whole season.
All in all, I was somewhat disappointed with the conclusion of Volume Four. I liked the part where Peter, Nathan and Claire team up to get Sylar, and I think it was necessary to hide the final battle (because they already proved they can't do it properly - see end of Volume One), but Hiro's condition was strangely left unexplained. I mean, people don't bleed from their nose and ear just from lack of sleep...
It was good that Peter finally became useful, acquiring Sylar's abilities. But now there's nobody in his league anymore, not until the bad guy recovers his identity.
And talking about bad guys, Tracy will be a very lame villain. Her motivation is revenge, so that limits her scope significantly. Sadly, the best villains were killed in Volume Three (namely Adam Monroe and Arthur Petrelli). I hope the writers can come up with a better villain and a better reason, because I still think this show is one of the best on TV.
I guess I was just disappointed they ignored the Barbara angle and kept Tracy in the show...
I don't think there will be a dr jekyll and mr hyde kinda thing with Nathan.
At some point Sylar will emerge from the ashes if you will and then there's hell to pay, I also think the flask of the formula Angela still has and giving it to Peter will have some role in the final.
I believe that Peter and Sylar fight in the end
I also still hope that Hiro will get his full power back i think in the end he simply has to, because at some point a Hiro has to go back in time and tell peter to save the cheerleader, save the world thing, otherwise continuity will be messed up.
Original timeline;
Peter blows up New York and doesn't save Claire, which meant that Sylar could not be killed and became Nathan..
But Claire is still alive and the future got changed which meant that the 5YG future never happened so tough Hiro also never happened, which in turn means Hiro at some point will have to go back and tell Peter, which will probably be a chapter 6 final :)
And i think Tracy will be an excellent villain, Sylar got a bit annoying i think and there wasn't much story to tell about him anymore.
Although Sylar's 'proposal' to Claire was kinda creepy, it does make sense if your a sociopath. Anyway I wonder how he will react to Claire, thinking he is her father, but still having a bit of Sylar in him. He was really focused on her and now he is supposed to be her dad. I see serious daddy issues for Claire.
He's bound to emerge at some point (I hope so I think Quinto's to fine an actor to be written out!).
I agree on baby Noah,that was a possible future. Sylar (well Gabriel)making pancakes was kinda fun though. at leasst he was just slicing breakfast lol.
AND FOR THE LAST TIME LISTEN
tracy is not a villan she is a hero getting revenge on the people that tried to kill her and otheers like her. think of her as the half way point in good and evil
she will do evil things..but for the right reasons and visa versa.
Although it is annoying to read people's mad theories about how that particular future we saw waaaay back is still going to happen... I'm not saying it's impossible, but the future is always changing, guys.
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So, yeah. REALLY unimpressed with how that played out. EXTREMELY.
Anyway, I think the main part of this mind manipulation was to imprison Sylar, because now he is practically immortal.
I was also disappointed, but not because of Nathan's death.
I think though, that Nathan might realize he's Sylar but not reemerge yet. It's a drama, imagine the possibilities with a man realizing he's actually the guy that killed him and that the real him is actually dead! "How could you do this to me?! whine whine whine."
The undoing of this whole secret, however, is likely to be this:
- his healing ability might pull a peter and have him remember a la Four Months Ago.
- He still has the liar liar power, which is PASSIVE, like the regenerative abilities.
As for how he can fly, because he has intuitive aptitude and he THINKS he's Nathan (who by the way obviously KNOWS how his own power works) it stands to reason he'd be able to fly now as Nathan.
and i totally agree with the screwup about healing nathan with claire's blood.
transferring memories and stuff, that was so unnecessary...
if they dont make something REALLY good out of that in 'redemption', im pissed.
as for the last comment, if you watch closely at the scene where sylar gets claires ability, he just cuts away the skull top, but the brain remains completely intact. so if the WOULD have healed nathan the logical way, his head top would just have re-attached itself and everything would have been fine...
Hiro can't completely lose his power, then he couldn't time travel.
Sylar has to reemerge. He's already showing traces.
Why do people assume that Sylar could use his blood to heal like Claire does it?
Peter shape shifted his cloths and didn't stutter when turning back into himself his technique was flawless. At first I thought that Sylar was searching through the DNA's he has acquired to find the president, but when it happened Sylar was shaking out of control and when he turned back into Sylar he was surprised as Peter smiled at him. I think Peter forced him to the surface, and I think Peter took IA when he touched him because he knew to wait for Sylar as the pres, Noah asked him did you take his power and when Peter says to Sylar bet you didn't think I took that one did you?
(You knew I took your power but you didn't know witch I would take from you, you probably assumed I would take TK or electricity with your IA power but instead I only took Shape shifting and now I'm taking the rest of them.) This is what I saw with what happened.
'i thought i died'
which mohinder replyed, 'you did, but thanks to your daughter blood....etc...'
Im not sure if that was the exact conversation, but it was close enough.
That power was their way to get around the whole Claire blood fix all.
With the way Sylar masters powers Sylar could of snap his fingers at anytime and ended any fight with peter or Nathan, hell if he's fast enough anyone.
As for timeline issues the arguments are moot, any time travel power is doomed to paradox from gate. The question is this....how do you change the future if doing so means the future never happened that prompted you to change it? Causality. I just enjoy the show and try to suspend disbelief.
I prdict Nathan/Syalr will steal multiplicity. Split into 2 people, one will become Sylar no remorse or good, the other will stay as Nathan all good and no evil ! lol
so new nathan shouldnt have a problem with flying... im quite interested to see how this will now turnout...
does anyone know if peter has all of sylars abilities or just the shapeshifting? i think he has all of them....i dunno...
how did he know sylar would shapeshift into the chief of staff and get into the presidents limo?
so many questions...not enough answers....
maybe season 4 will tell us all....
Peter
Ok so consensus seems to be Peters powers are back but no one knows for sure what is really happening because let be honest they haven't told us and if they want us to know they usually tell us.
We do not know if he has 1 or all of Sylars abilities beyond Shifting. It seems fair to assume he has taken another or all of his other abilities due to shaking his hand and making Sylar change back into himself. I am sure there is a reason. In all likelihood Peter will have all abilities back next volume cos all he needed to do is take his old empathy power back and he will be able to take all of the other abilities easily. I'm sure that will be cleared up next volume.
I understand why everyone is not happy that peter did not have his power but if they were both equal it just becomes Peter vs. Sylar week after week. I personally was not happy with it but I accept that sometime what we want is not always right. Imagine the budget they would need every week if they did what we all wanted not to mention how long it would take to film i.e. TV show 2-3 weeks, movie 2-3 months for filming alone before edit/effects.
I also was not happy they did not show the fight, I’m hoping they will do it in a flashback but it seems pointless to me to do so considering it was a finale.
Nathan
He's dead, Yes it's possible he could live and they could bring him back somehow with Claire blood but what’s the point. Story is better with the Sylar/Nathan split. Obvious plot is Sylar re-emerges and then goes bad. My guess (and preference) would be for them to have him realise he is not Nathan (rather than Sylar) and the realise that this is chance at, yes you guessed it, redemption. Future flashes showed good Sylar, so who's to say it's not possible. I had big issues on night over what happened because all of Sylars abilities would negate anything they did and Angela even said that he may not have all Nathans memories but his touch ability would fill in the blanks. So to me that means as soon as he touches anything of hers/Matt’s/Noah’s they wore that day then he will learn of it straight away, before we get into the lying, healing abilities.
Also easy for him to figure out what happened and then we get to FYG scenes and then he chooses to reveal himself and even kill Claire as we saw. He may be able to heal but who knows what she will do in-between then and now. He could even do both storylines, comes good, Claire does what Claire does best and F'it up and then he decides to get revenge.
I’m sure I read somewhere (thought I expect to be proven wrong) that they defo will do the FYG story. I think it’s just a case of how has it changed.
As for the other characters, seeing as Peter Nathan Sylar Claire make up most of the real storylines I have a few mini theories.
Sure the baby storyline has been saved as it seems a waste of a story given the babies ability. Unless it was purely just to give him a reason to live/fight otherwise it’s pointless. Ando, Hiro and Mohinder also been wasted. They need sort out what they are there for, I know Hiro/Ando are comedic relief and I am very hopeful for the headache storyline cos it makes sense to put some limits on Hiro cos otherwise he just becomes a get out of jail free card and I personally (yes that word again) think there should be consequences to changing the past.
So there you go, war and peace over. What ya'll think (well those who are still awake anyway)
See ya all in Sept/Oct for the next volume!!!!
It's been bugging me why he chose that power, he could have chosen any power but he has experience with IA and the hunger and doesn't want it back so IA would be out even though it gives him full control of all powers, but he didn't TK or any other of the vast offensive powers in Sylars arsenal why?
Peter masters any power he copies from someone else he did it with Matt when he took his power to. When he took Shapeshifting he was able to do what Sylar did with it in less the time, he changed cloths and even perfect transformation in very little time I will say it has to be instantaneous. Peter forced Sylar to his own form with it to. This is the power he had in the last future episode, Sylar used it to move the spot in his head he even used it to absorb DNA from anything he touched.
Peter can and will manipulate this power to gain new abilities this is the one he used because this was his future. Sylar by turning into Nathan he gained his power too, Peter like Arthur is a master of his power because it is the SAME power only one is evolved and the other isn't. All the clues have been given peice them together and you will see this is what they don't want to tell us. Peter is back guys, that scar isn't even an injury I bet, it's a DNA thing. Sylar was a master and had major problems mastering this power so Peter could have problems with it later. (This is just my opinion but it makes a lot of sense)
I think that was a slap in the face from the writers.
I think they ended it pretty neatly, uncommon perhaps but because of that, it's refreshing.
I do believe however that Sylar will emerge eventually probably towards the end of this season if not the season after that and he will fight Peter who at that time will be as strong as he used to be and wisened up some more so he can level with Sylar.
Tracy isn't to bad as a villain at some level i don't even think she is the villain, all those people who robbed people of their lives and can carry on as ussual, should be punished if not by law then by vigilante.
In some ways i think HRG/Angela, Nathan and other (deceased) old company members are more evil then she is.
I hope Claude comes back and maybe some other new cool characters (like Adam and Knox those were great characters)
Whatever happened to Usuntu and Matt seeing the future storyline?
They probably burried Nathan in an unnamed grave.
I also wonder what will happen when Tracy is trying to attack Nathan/Sylar, i think that's why Tracy will be marked the villain next season because if she attacks Nathan and finds out he can'tget hurt the lie will come out ....and the new company doesn't want this to happen.
I think the new company will eventually be as bad as the old one, it starts with a lie and people will kill and lie to protect it when it comes to it.
As for Nathan not being healed by Claire's blood: first off, we've never seen it heal someone that was already dead for sure and secondly, the Trump card of being able to bring any character back with an injection needed to go, even if it meant a slight contradiction.
Sylar was definitely flying when he came in the window after Nathan. Go back and watch it and you'll notice the flying sound effect was being used. My theory is that he acquired it through empathy by a combination of having most of Nathan's memories and having shapeshifted into him, giving him a deep understanding of his feelings.
Here's a question I haven't seen anyone address that REALLY needs answering: How the hell did Nathan heal from his gunshot wounds at the beginning of season 3, since Linderman was an illusion???
Some people find the conversion of Sylar into Nathan to be somewhat weak; I disagree. Depending on how strong Matt's abilities are, he could have repressed all those extra abilities and even possibly the healing. (It's kind of like how a person can convince their self into a symptom-filled illness despite being physically healthy.) As for Tracy's watery revenge... well, that feels very "comic book" to me. The series feels like it's getting back to feeling "comic book" like it was in the 1st season. I like the direction. :]
Also, more opinions:
I think Peter only stole shape shifting (and only temporarily.)
I think Noah was dead for a short enough period of time to bring him back (after the shot to the eye), whereas Nathan had been dead for longer while.
I think Hiro's revived power was different from his original powers; like he only recovered one piece of a bigger machine. As a result, there's some issues where a fan-belt hits a piston in his brain.
I think it's Tracy, not Barbara.
I think tranquilizers worked on Sylar because they injected directly to the blood, whereas Claire had to filter the alcohol through her liver first.
Finally, I wish they would further the "Matt is a prophet" and Nathan's mysterious healing plot points. :/ Adding (and sticking) to the show's mythology = step in the right direction.
i think he is. he was the one who tranked sylar,so he was the one who had to bring back the body, so he must know about the change.
And in season 4 it could be either tracy or the other triplet, barbara. tracy's power was to freeze, so either it works both ways, or her sibling has the opposite power.
The headaches that Hiro is experiancing may be the result of over using his abilities, or it may be that these abilities have a time limit.
Claire still has the possibility to become the bad ass hunter of the future, probably when she finds out that NATHAN is Sylar and her "dad" and grandma have once again did some double dealing and disception, Peter will get his scar when he discovers the Nathan/Sylar plot. Nathan becomes Pres. than Sylar come out and destroys it all. Because in all the FUTURE flashes Nathan becomes president, whether by manipulation or by choice. In the first one, Sylar is Nathan is President, which is where we are going with this current installment. So in my humble opinion we havent changed the future for the better quite yet.
I think Heros has the potential of a really great and unique show the writers need to get some fresh ideas, maybe from their fans, who actually pay attention to the plot lines.