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Come on! Tons of people have died and REALLY died. Nikki, DL, Arthur, Isaac, Ted, Elle, Bob, Charlie, Knox, Flint, Linderman, etc.
Who has not "really" died? Claire, Peter & Sylar are all healers so set them aside right away. Nathan nearly died the first 2 seasons and really died this season. He is dead. The actor gets to keep working but it is Sylar in that body. Nikki is really dead. Tracy is a completely different character. HRG came back thanks to Claire's blood. Not many others.
1: Adam Monroe
2: Claire (via Peter)
3: Claire (via Peter via Sylar)
Do you really think he's dead?
Maybe they show up again sometime.
And flint im not really sure if he is dead or not i mean fire cant burn fire pinehearst wasn't like the primatech building where it all crashed down or it maybe did of screen or something
If Claire or Adam's blood is given to someone else (ie. Nathan, HRG) to help them regenerate, how long does the blood stay in their system? Do they just generate new blood cells until the "donated" blood is cleared away? just wondering..they could've saved alot of people had they just injected them with claire's blood before going into anything dangerous haha.
as you said yea clair is there whay they didnt inject her blood in Nathan and thats it, thay saved clair Father like this, any way i like sylar but i think now he will be in fight with Nathan, and i want pet to have his old power back :(
Also Arthur is definitely not dead because there is no body when the episode after he dies starts just blood on the floor.
I hope Samson comes back into it this season. the end of this season was a bit poor but hopefully next season will redeem everything
That being said, I KNOW that peter ONLY TOOK SHAPESHIFTING!! The writers made it extremely obvious and some people are still confused. I just don't know why this is so confusing.
When Peter said that he can only hold on to one power at the time it depends on WHO he touches if he touches Nathan he only get flight because nathan can only fly but if he touches Sylar he get healing, shapeshifting, telekenisis and mutch more. He can only hold on to ONE persons powers.
A few people also think he only got shapeshifting because Peter didn't heal or use his other powers they only saw him using shapeshifting. But remember that we only heard Peter scream in that room as he was trying to get close to Sylar. The cuts on Peters face happend before he absorbed Sylars powers then when he absorbed it nathan flew out the window whit Sylar.
And when Noah asked if he absorbed Sylars powers he said "Yes so we can stop him"
And Nathan said that "My Brother can do whatever sylar can do, we just need him to get close enough so he can touch him". People here are your answers about Peter getting sylars abilities
Noah said to Peter "did you take his power?" implying one power, not "did you take his powers or abilities?"
The plan the whole time was to trick Sylar into thinking he had the president in front of him. We all know it would be impossible to take down Sylar before he got to the president...so what is the next logical plan?...for Peter to absorb Sylar's shapeshifting ability, become the president and let Sylar come to them.
Listen dude Peter can take one persons abilities if sylar only have shapeshifting he would have gotten shapeshifting but sylar has multiple powers so peter got them all he can hold on to one persons abilities but if he tries to take nathans the other powers he took from sylar would dissapear its like that. If you dont belive me see for yourself when season 4 starts and you will see that im right.
When peter said “bet you didn’t think I took that one from you” he was refering to the DNA he stole from Sylar and shapeshifted sylar back to Sylar. Did you se when sylar shaked his hand he looked shooked and started to shapeshift like hell
They burned the shapeshifter body from earlier on, in the "deep freeze" remember?
That means some of the heroes, aka Peter, Claire, Hiro, Ando, and Suresh, don't know that Sylar is now Nathan. Pretty tricky.
But it is a pity Peter isn't a little brighter, if he was, he'd have taken Sylar's empathy (not his inate understanding - just so there is no confusion) as Sylar does also have the power to take abilities without scalping; which has been highlighted recently - and as seen in the finale when he flew whilst Nathan was most definately still alive.
but ah well... that would have meant super Peter again, which was a logistics writing nightmare :)
same goes for the blood thing with Claire. Writes them into a corner. Pity they decided not to even try an explanation.. here's one for free... Nathan's already been healed by blood, it won't work twice! Or how about he lost too much blood. Or it was too long after brain death? But nada, they would rather we forget that - much like Sylar's clothes shifting nightmare - which they freely admit they had to abandon.
Never mind though, love heroes and its writers, just wish occasionally they tried to dig themselves out of the holes more eloquently.
duh dude it was WAY TOO LATE FOR NATHAN! he had been dead for a while before sylar was dead. it wouldn't have worked! and besides im sure Angela and noah had their reasons for not wanting claire to see her fathers dead body on a chair!!
the writers just decided not to use the clairs blood routine ever again,
And I disagree that Nathan should be dead for good. I like the character and actor and having him in the show in any form is good enough for me.
1. INVISIBILITY
2. HEALING
3. FLIGHT
4. SPACE-TIME MANIPULATION
5. TELEPATH-MIND CONTROL
Its not that Peter can only absorb one power at a time, but that he can only absorb one set of DNA at a time. Every character that Peter comes in to contact with (excluding Sylar obviously) only has one power i.e. flight, mind-control. But because all of Sylars abilities are a part of his DNA, peter absorbs all of them; he doesnt take just a part of his DNA... if that were the case then if he absorbed invisibility again, then he would probably only become partially invisible.
another thing in i am sylar. Sylar grew a extra tooth prehaps this is a lower version of rengenration you can repair cuts and even missing parts just not stop a gun shot to the head (i am become death peter)
Also Arthur is definitely not dead because there is no body when the episode after he dies starts just blood on the floor.
I hope Samson comes back into it this season. the end of this season was a bit poor but hopefully next season will redeem everything
I THINK HIRO WILL DIE!!!
so in theory, hes Nathan with Sylars powers or something cuz theres no way otherwise with the facts given ... BUT..., IF matt didnt, if he even really can, remove Sylars memories and thoughts, then theres a chance he can come back logically, but heres what I think, Matt will intentionally leave a bit of Sylar in there for his own personal reasons, cuz he seems to be getting acquainted with his other side.
its a great story, i dont mind the plothole with claires blood, but its so much better this way, Nathan is dead but adrian pasdar will still be in the show :D
I know growing another tooth is one thing and to grow another body will be crazy but how else will Nathan back?
Powers i'd love to see this season:
-duplication(kage bunshin no jutsu)
-body expansion(like choji on naruto)
-gravity manipulation
-the ability to absorb the molecular structure/density of objects
-the ability to shapeshift into animals
those were just a few i thought would be cool. Anyone got any other great ones do reply :D
object duplication.
sand or earth maniplulation.
super flexability or stretch ability.
i am also surprised how peter forgot about the Irish girl who left in the Future.
why Meredith died in level 5 by a fire the time she survived the first fire when claire was a baby and she has fire in her hands all the time.
I bet by the end of the season Sylar will be in full control of the body :P
and yay! new villain! better not be matt, i want a new character, and just one please :P
i think redemption may be about:
-tracys revenge
-alices revenge on angela
-sylars father could make a return
-internal battle between nathan and syalr....i hope it will be like nikki/jessica in season1.....
i cant wait 4 the next season---
season4
volume 5
i have the collection of all heroes seasons....
Yeah, the blood thing with Claire was too obvious to be missed.
A few questions:
1. What would happen if the haitian would be in the vicinity of Sylar/Nathan? Would that mean the Sylar/Nathan would loose his shapeshifting ability and turn back into Sylar's body left with Nathan's thoughts wondering what the hell is going on? Maybe Sylar would then start to remember?
2. When Hiro freezes time, why is there still light around? Wouldn't light photos stop moving pitching the room in complete darkness? What about air molecules not moving. Wouldn't that make it a tad hard to breathe?
ANYWAY back on subjct of finale/season 4 I figured out something becuase I've been rewatching 1st /2nd season on DVD. Okay, in the first season when Hiro/Ando jump to the future to find the aftermath of the "bomb" you see Nathan is president but he is actually Gabe and he has ice power becuase you have the scene where gabe is all like, "brother vs. brother it's almost biblical" and peter is all like, "my brother can't go through walls" and then gabe ices over his hand and peter lighhts his on fire. But after hiro stabbed gabriel in kirby plaza, (I hate it when they are in conflict I never know who to side with) he lost his ice power so how did he have it in the future? It's becuase tracy is going to all the dudes for revenge and when she comes to Nathan/Gabriel Gabriel will come out of his trance rip open her head and take her icey powers. :D :D (yes, I am a creepy little girl)
:)