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I think I know why Linderman wanted Micah…Maybe he knows about HRG, Matt, and Ted coming to NY to destroy the tracking device. And since Micah can restore technology…
anyways...i dont want to underestimate nathan and all i respect him n i adore him...but facing off sylar????..i mean all nathan can do is fly .....but sylar's got whole lot of power...i heard 14 in beaman's blog...he's gt 14 POWERS!!!!! ....what if when nathan flies, sylar freezes him or telekinetically stops his movement...then arghhhhhh...i cant event hink of it wat happens next....
unless NATHAN HAS MORE POWER THAN WE THINK HE DOES!!!!..
like peter..at first we thoguht he could only fly...but then later he became this ultimate power absorber which i didnt even see comin'.....
AGAIN....I CANT SEEM TOO TIRED TO SAY THIS OVER AND OVER....
can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...can't wait...heh
So... Hiro is facing Sylar, not Nathan.
i just cant imagine sylar going back and forth to the past & future!
I was thinking that new girl, Mollie, that they said would be introduced in the next episode, would have it, since she "has the only power that would stop Sylar". Maybe she could freeze him before he explodes or something.
Anyway, I missed the last of the episode...(I was co-watching Spider-Man and got distracted) Did Hiro end up losing his power to that weird shot that they were going to give him?
In response to what Faith said, it is still Peter that blew up and not Sylar, Nathan just covered it up and said that it was Sylar.
I also noticed that future Sylar could walk through walls which means that he has met DL and DL is dead.
What is confusing me is that if Sylar did survive being stabbed by future Hiro then he must already have Claires power so she should be dead, but she isnt and he kills her again at the end of the episode saying 'ive waited a long time for this', how can that possibly work surely in the future one of them should already be dead otherwise it doesnt make sense???
I'm guessing that the reason Sylar "regenerated" is the same reason he has been able to pose as Nathan all of these years: Candace. With her ability, he is able to construct the reality to appear as if he has been stabbed, without having to withstand any damage.
Alternately, perhaps if he had merely "opened up " Claire to "see how it works", perhaps Claire was able to regenerate her skull, as horrifying as that may have been.
As your last paragraph implies, there is a paradox. Claire should be dead already. Sylar would have her power so he would not die when Hiro stabs him.
The paradox continues, if we assume that the future timeline, last night's episode, was based on Peter not saving Claire at Homecoming, then Claire should have been dead already instead of alive in the episode for Sylar to kill. Being alive implies she was saved by Peter after Future Hiro warned Past Peter to save her. But yet Peter has a scar, and Sylar is still alive in the future after he was stabbed by Hiro in the past.
So much for the time-space continuum.
Ya the Claire still alive I didnt get, cuz if she was still alive, and Hiro stabbed Sylar how did Sylar regen
When Hiro stabbed "Sylar" before he exploded, it had to be Peter, shape-shifted to look like Sylar. Recall, Peter and Nathan blamed Sylar for the explosion.
This would explain why saving the cheerleader didn't save the world yet, and the bomb still goes off. Hiro's assumption that
"saving the cheerleader" would save the world was incorrect. Sylar never gets to Claire.
Do you remember in, i fink it is the second episode, wen we first meet matt, the policeman, and he goes into the house where he finds the girl in the closet under the stairs. The FBI think that it is sylar that killed the man at the table. He's just had the 'Sylar teatment' (top of head cut off) and he is frozen. So Sylar had the freezing power way before he met all these ova guys.
Sylar is going to kill Candace and steal her shape-shifting power.
(He already has the freezing power. He used it in early episodes. The police found some of his victims mysteriously frozen, remember?)
Then he's going to kill Nathan and take over Nathan's life. Remember when he was painting the future after killing Isaac; he was painting himself as President, not Nathan.
Peter is still going to be the exploding man and Sylar is going to use that opportunity to declare himself dead so people will stop looking for him so he can continue killing other heroes and stealing their powers without anyone knowing.
Peter probably gets the scar while fighting the Haitian, who has the power to stop his powers from working and so the regen power didn't work at the time.
It all makes perfect sense, if you think about it. You just have to follow the clues.
The Haitian has the ability to neutralize Syalr’s power. I think if Hiro, Peter, and the Haitian teamed up, he could be easily stopped. Also since Sylar is so power hunger as well as an meglomaniac, I would love to see him suffer an ignoble death not by other heroes, but by an ordinary person. That would be such a blow to him that he would crumble mentally. Seriously an Accuracy International 50 cal sniper rifle, with over a 1 mile range would easily take Sylar out.
this episode i believe is based off of the previous episode, so it's not based off of the fact that sylar killed claire and stole her powers.
Up to this point, Hiro does not know that Claire survived the Sylar's attack. Present Hiro believes that Claire is dead. And if Hiro has been in hiding from the point of the bomb exploding until the future time then he was probably not able to come across anyone who would have told him otherwise. This also makes me believe that Hiro does not run into Claire in future episodes. That is why future Hiro explains to present Hiro that Sylar blew up NYC and didn't die because he regenerated.
Someone above mentioned that Peter ran into Candice and took her power. I believe that Peter agreed to go with Nathan's plot of making the world believe it was Sylar to blow up the city. Therefore, Peter turned into Sylar, Peter blew NYC and Hiro stabbed Peter who regenerated. Hiro and the rest of the country were led to believed that Sylar blew up NY and then Hiro went into captivity, knowing that Sylar was still alive.
So, this way we can throw out the whole idea that Sylar kills Claire twice. Claire was never killed up until Sylar meets up with her in the future. Bennett has kept her in hiding all of these years protecting her from Sylar himself. The only thing I can't piece is where Sylar was when the bomb exploded. We know he took Candice's, DL's, and Nathan's powers along with many others.
Sylar must have killed Nathan way before anyone knew and been posing as him. Parkman is definitely unaware that he's working for Sylar. He would have killed Nathan by now. It does bother me how Parkman hasn't read "Sylar's" mind and found out it's him.
In terms of the comic book, I'm a bit confused as to whether the part with Sylar being stabbed is before the part with Suresh stabbing the Haitian or after. If the Sylar drawing is after the Suresh drawing, then it either means that Suresh does do that in the 'past' before the real bomb explodes, or that there's a second bomb (Sylar). I doubt that's the case. I feel like the comic has the bomb and sylar picture first followed by the suresh one.
The comic is accurate. Hiro either stabs peter pretending to be suresh, or Hiro does actually stab Sylar, killing him as the future would be. This was very confusing, and hoping this is all tied up at the end of the season. I love this show, and I know I'll be watching it all over again to see if I could catch more clues from episode one.
If Sylar is the exploding man, future Hiro should warn Mohinder's father about Gabriel's ability. (I think, even if it wasn't Sylar exploding, future Hiro should still warn Mohinder's Dad about a potential danger.)
If Peter thinks he's the exploding man, he should leave NYC and go elsewhere (where no one will get hurt, if there's such a place).
What if the exploding man was Ted (in his pursuit of destroying the transmitter in NYC)?
And speaking of that transmitter... is it also possible that the transmitter is located at Simone's father's building? The one Isaac painted (several times) and he mentioned that it's connected to what's happening and it's important (ep. 14). This is also the same rooftop where Claire was handed over to Mr. Bennet. Take note also that Hiro's father is also connected (ep. 17). And it seems in ep.19 that Nathan's parents new about Claire's "arrangement".
Lastly, in ep.19 again... it seems that there's a group of heroes (x-men? LOL) during Nathan's parent's time. Maybe this group consists of those people with supernatural powers in ep.17 roof deck scene (Hiro's dad, the invinsible man) and the Pitrellis and maybe Simone's father. And also, just maybe, Mr. Linderman is part of this group somehow.
One last thing... did anyone notice that Peter seems to have a power of "premonition' even before he met Isaac (ep.10, 6months ago)? Maybe that's his mom's power...
Well, I just can't wait to see what will happen next!
Sorry 'bout that. ;)
Since you guys seem to be knowledgeable about this whole time-space continuum. There is a paradox with present Hiro meeting future Hiro. As what I have stated yesterday... I think it's just impossible. What d'ya think guys?
I mean, just imagine yourself, leaving the present and going to the future. If you're not physically here at the present, then there'll be no "future you" in the future? Maybe the writers made it this way (like in Back to the Future trilogy) to make the story interesting. But in real concept, it seems impossible though.
But have in mind now that Clair have been hiding for the last five years. And that infact everybody thinks she is dead.
Future Hiro says to present Hiro that Sylar killed clair and took her power. We all understood that. Future Hiro went back in time to tell peter to save Claire, we all got that.
Claire was saved after future Hiro talked to Peter, and by saving her, the future changed, but everyone in the future thinks she is dead, even sylar. Present Hiro said to future Hiro that Peter saved Claire and so Sylar missed out and does not have her power now. And therefor Sylar says that he has been waiting for this for many years...because he knows that he did not kill Claire, but future Hiro thinks he did.
One comment...
Impossible? It's a scifi show...nothing in the show is possible!
If you assume you travel forward and meet your future self, you would only spend a finite segment of your life in that time period. At the end of your stay in the future, you travel back to your own time. How has that trip been a paradox, especially if your future self remembers the trip?
Think of it more as "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure" where they decided that they will later travel back in time and leave themselves the keys they needed for right now.
Now assume then what some would say would make it absolutely impossible. If you travel to the future and meet yourself, and your future self kills you. You die while in the future. Some would say that your future self would die also or even disappear. Others might say that your future self would never have existed at all to kill you because the current you dies, so that might make it a paradox since your future self might never exist. Is it even possible to change history assuming time travel were possible? For it to happen, you probably have to use the alternative history theory, in that there are infinite numbers of histories in the universe, each with its own probability.
If you assume that time is infinite like space, just about anything is possible for writers as long as long as there is a consistent logical explanation. I guess it also depends on whether or not you believe in fate or free will. Are events controlled by some outside force that determines outcome, or are there infinite possibilities of choices?
If it were possible to view a moment in time like a video tape, would someone on that tape always roll the dice the same, resulting in the same number every time, or is there a chance it might be different each time the person rolls?
It all depends on what theories you want to believe. If you can assume that time is infinite like space, then there are infinite possibilities for every action, .
Since no one really knows the truth of the matter, writers can be as creative as they want with time travel stories as long as there is some sort of logic and consistency to it. You mentioned "Back to the Future." It worked because it had a consistent logical explanation. I'm just wondering how the writers can explain this episode logically after saying that Hiro could not change the death of the waitress in episode 10.
some comments are very interesting and i'll add another explanation that might make sense to many here, i believe that the real twisT is that the cheerleader SHOULD DIE to save the world, i'll explain:
1) "save the cheerleader, save the world" was said by future HERO, so the question is , why he said so??
Because when he stabed "sylar" (which is patrelli shaping in sylar for some reason) patrelli (false sylar) regenerated and didn't die, so FUTUR HIRO concluded that if sylar didn't kill the cheerleader he wouldn't have her power and thus he could have killed sylar.
2) therefor Hiro went back to time to ask patrelli to save the girl and "save the world" so sylar won't get her power and thus would allow him to kill sylar. Indeed he did the exact the opposite, if the cheerleader died , patrelli won't have her power, so when hiro will stab patrelli (while shaping as sylar) , patrelli will die and HE WILL SAVE THE WORLD.
3) that is exactly why even when they saved Claire the cheerleader, new york was still destroyed !!
to sum up, claire should have been dead at that night when syler paid her a visit. i hope you got my point.
I'm still betting that Sylar is more likely to kill Candace and take her power (as he mentioned in the future eps) and then kill Nathan and assume his life. Then use Peter's explosion as a cover-up for his own disappearance. Blaming a serial killer "mutant" would completely go with the "politician" Nathan/Sylar is trying to become and it would give weight to what he plans to do over the next 5 years.
Quantum Theory is a very difficult topic as is time travel and although i dont know too much about both areas quantum theory suggests that there is a parrallel universe for everysingle decision everyone makes so there are an infinite amount of parrallel universes and it could just be that Hiro isnt traveling across time but also across universes seeing as he can 'bend time and space' although i think this is unlikely. But its something to think about.
One thing that i think everyone is missing is that the way the events are happening are the way they HAVE to happen because its the way that Isaac painted/drew them. Everysingle comic of 9th Wonders has been word for word perfect to the way it is supposed to happen as have all of the paintings. If everything is supposed to happen this way then this means that future Hiro infact teleported and met his own future Hiro when he was at the same point as present Hiro (all very confusing) and this means that the whole universe is in a complete loop and there is no way of stopping either Sylar or the Bomb/Peter.
I suppose all we can do now is wait for the remaining episodes of Heroes and see how the writers explain it all (and we can always complain to them at the end if it isnt explained properly and still doesnt make sense!)
I noticed that also (about Isaac's paintings)! He paints the exact future. If that's the case, can any one of them change the future? Is this destiny they're trying to change?
I can't wait to see how the writers will make this series complicatedly interesting. I just hope that it will not be "too supernatural" that it will bore us eventually. (like in my case w/ Alias - centered too much on rambaldi and betrayal, Smallville - fed up with the kryptonite, Charmed, etc.). I was a fan of these series at first but they eventually bored me. I think as long as there's always the element of "human relationships" and "some reality" to it where in "normal people" can relate to, the series will be a hit (like CSI Las Vegas, Friends, etc.)! ;)
And guys, thank you for sharing your insights about the space-time continuum! :)